A look at how the claims made by Zero 1 don’t hold any merit in the cellular arena
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Originally posted by Freebase at Scam.com
That article is old, and has been discussed over and over again. It’s very simply not possible for Zer01 to do what they say they’re doing in the article.
Wireless networks don’t work like this. You can’t “directly connect to the tower” – you have to go through a core network which then has outports for whoever their assigned MVNOs are. All the voice and data, however, is carried over the core to the MVNO.
Finally, the closest to this they could get is through a Multi-core network. But in order to do this, someone has to build the network and then associate with the other player. AT&T and T-Mobile both profess that have nothing to do with Zer01 and do not provide interconnect into their network. Similarly, Zer01 has no linkup to any of the SMS clearinghouse providers – so it can’t even send a text message, let alone carry a call.
No carrier would allow them to stick proprietary equipment onto their antennae like that or colocate without proper vetting. The article doesn’t go into any significant detail because it simply rehashes Zer01’s press release that it ran over the wires.
Besides, many of the current major networks are shifting to all-ip based infrastructure to better handle applications on the HSPA network. Their term “Veritable Mobile Convergence” came from various press releases from NSN and Huawei – network equipment providers catering to the large wireless networks. Do a google search on MOCN and Mobile Convergence and you’ll see what it really is. Zer01 simply added the “Veritable” and explain what it does – when in reality their technology is just smoke and mirrors.
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Originally Posted by Freebase at Scam.com
Originally Posted by wontbescammed View Post
Second, he admits this technology is available in Europe – so why not here?
This one follows the same line as what I said earlier. The “They do it in Europe” has been thrown around by GV people for a while now. I’m guessing someone told them about MOCNs, where two competing carriers share a common radio network – but have their own cores. Bell and Telus will be doing it in Canada when their HSPA network goes live before the 2010 Winter Games.
Essentially, one antenna system and radio amplifier can handle more than one provider. The radio network becomes a kind of “cloud” each provider can wire into and to the user, it appears as if the entire network belongs to their provider. Often providers will share the cost of buildouts to make it happen. Bell and Telus in Canada are splitting the cost of the network. These networks also happen to be very easy and fast to deploy. Bell and Telus in Canada already have a large amount of coverage done – and they started in October (roughly).
These networks are also entirely IP based… The radio network is a “cloud” that handles the transmission/reception, and the link to the carrier core handles the integration into the regular phone network and the Internet.
In Europe, typically, any given large city can have 2 or more networks running. Some of them share the radio portion of the network like Bell and Telus will be doing.
That’s where the “It happens already in Europe” came from. And it’s certainly not secret technology. Go to Huawei or Nokia Siemens Network’s websites and they have lots of white-papers on carriers around the world and the whole concept of the “Multi Operator Core Network” option is spelled out for anyone interested in reading.
What CAN’T be done is what Zer01 claims its doing… Simply co-locating at the tower with their proprietary technology to channel signal away from the tower network. That’s simply not allowed – and it would cost a small fortune and be VERY inefficient to deploy.
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Originally Posted by freebase at Scam.com
Originally Posted by jebaroo View Post
At one time it was said that Zer01 had a fiber network co-located at the Central office of AT&T, Sprint, etc. In one interview Piilani claimed to have bought up fiber from Global Crossing.
Now they claim to had equipment co-located at the tower?
the story changes daily
That was pretty early on. It was included with a claim that they had a POP in Canada with a major network. It was proven wrong. We have also been unable to uncover their so-called fibre network. These communication networks have to be linked up to signalling and switching systems somewhere to talk to the rest of the world. Those connections can be looked up – and nobody can find any of the Zer01 companys (ie: UTG) linked into any systems.
But ya, it appears as soon as someone refutes what they say, they change their story… someone quickly refuted the Central Office connection issue (I believe it was AT&T and T-Mobile) and they quickly changed their tune… Either way, it’s still all false…
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Troy, oh my god what the hell are you doing posting that baloney about the SIM cards in your “put the pieces together” section of your article. You’re very good at writing, but unfortunately, uneducated when it comes to knowing how SIM cards work… Please PLEASE people, read up on how SIM cards work.
The reason why you’re seeing phones that are branded with AT&T and T-Mobile is that the people who have the phones are buying them either from AT&T and T-Mobile, OR they’re buying them UNLOCKED from some third party, who gets them from AT&T and T-Mobile… The graphic logos have NOTHING to do with the SIM. The only thing the sim can do is tell you which network you’re connected to on the phone… So instead of seeing 302-720, you’d see Rogers, for example… 310-150 if you were on “AT&T” in the former Bellsouth Mobility coverage area…
This is exactly the reason why I think this is a farce. The excuses they’re making are taking FULL advantage of the fact that none of the people involved in this have any CLUE how wireless networks work. I confirmed that in the chat-rooms before the conference started… That’s very unfair…
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:29 pm
If you buy an unlocked phone from a third party, it will still have the software for the carrier it was designed for. For example. Let’s say you go to AT&T and you buy a Motorola Q9H or a T-Mobile Pharos… nice compact smart phones… And after 3 years, you decide you want to use it with other carriers because you’re going to travel to another country. It’s a “world phone” so great. Well, since after 2 years, you’re no longer on contract (which subsidizes the lower cost of the phone) you can actually call AT&T and request they send you the unlock code which will allow you to put any carrier SIM card into it and use it.
However, when you turn the phone on, or use the phone, it will still say AT&T – because the graphics for the boot-up are stored on the phone. Now, all you have to do is navigate through some of the forums on the net and you’ll find thousands of people who’ve successfully modded their phones to boot up with whatever graphic they want… If they want a skull and crossbones to show up when the phone boots, they have a way to put that on the phone. It’s really not a mystery.
Likewise, you can tweak and alter the look of the phone menu. Some companies like Pharos, HTC, and Samsung make a “top deck” application which hides the OS of the phone underneath by providing a fixed “Button bar” on the screen with carrier-specific “buttons” you can click on to use that carriers services.
A logo on the phone can not be uploaded through the sim. The sim contains the authentication encryption that is duplicated in the carriers authentication servers. When you boot the phone, it goes out over the network assigned to the sim and shares its info with that carrier at the authentication stage – if it matches, you can make calls. If it doesn’t, you can’t.
The SIM also handles the refreshing of the key code in real time… it also has the ability to store the contents of your phones phone book, although most phone address books are more complicated and no longer make use of that storage function on the sim.
I own an AT&T Motorola Q9h myself which I bought unlocked – so I can take it to europe, and the US and simply pop in a prepaid SIM or a roaming SIM from ANY provider anywhere in the world, and it’ll work… It’s been done for years.
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Well, the SIM card isn’t really capable of doing that sort of thing. That’s all controlled by the network. Handoffs from tower to tower, and switch to switch are all handled at the switching level… the SIM is just the identity…
Secondly, for these SIMs to work, they would have to have to have a data file from the SIM producer with all the matching SIM key values so their head-end or core could authenticate the sim… Since there’s no core or real switching, there’s no way to do that.
sim cards don’t know about “VoIP”… VoIP is just an application that can run on the phone… and another reason why the sim theory get shot to hell…
If you really want to, you can buy an AT&T phone, get AT&T service, then install a VoIP SIP client, and sign up with any VoIP SIP service… and you’ll see what VoIP over cellular sounds like where the phone is sending the voice call over the carrier data network… it’s not pretty at all.
In fact, AT&T, Google, and Apple are now being questioned by the FCC for pulling the Google Voice iPhone application, which allows you to do all sorts of nifty things such as ringing multiple phones, making VoIP calls, redirecting calls, all from your iPhone…
Google also has an application for the Blackberry which many are playing with…
None of these technologies work the way Zer01 claims it can work – because Zer01 is smoke and mirrors. So they all work within the confines of the carrier data network – there’s no siphoning of data nor is there any “magic high speed band”…
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:31 pm
They have already claimed that the reason the sims aren’t ready is because they did not show zero 1 so I am pretty confident they never knew this to begin with
So, in order for the SIM to show “Zer01” on the main screen as the identifying network, it has to be assigned an MNC… Or Mobile Network Code. Those codes are divided into two, three digit codes, the country code (US = 310) and the provider code.
Here’s a listing of all the codes for US carriers – note that Zer01 or VOX is not listed:
310 000 Mid-Tex Cellular Operational Unknown
310 004 Verizon Verizon Wireless Operational Unknown
310 010 MCI Not operational Unknown
310 012 Verizon Verizon Wireless Operational CDMA 850 / CDMA 1900
310 013 MobileTel Unknown Unknown
310 014 Testing Operational Unknown
310 016 Cricket Communications Operational CDMA / EV-DO 1900 1700
310 017 North Sight Communications Inc. Operational Unknown
310 020 Union Telephone Company Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900 Or APC Sprint Spectrum
310 026 T-Mobile Operational GSM 1900 / UMTS 1700 Formerly Cook Inlet Voicestream
310 030 Centennial Centennial Communications Operational GSM 850
310 034 Airpeak Operational Unknown Formerly Nevada Wireless
310 038 AT&T AT&T Mobility Operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900
310 040 Concho Concho Cellular Telephone Co., Inc. Operational GSM 1900
310 046 SIMMETRY TMP Corp Operational GSM 1900
310 060 Consolidated Telcom Operational Unknown
310 070 Highland Cellular Operational Unknown Cellular One reseller
310 080 Corr Corr Wireless Communications LLC Operational GSM 1900
310 090 AT&T Operational GSM 1900 / UMTS 1900 Formerly Edge Wireless
310 100 Plateau Wireless New Mexico RSA 4 East Ltd. Partnership Operational GSM 850
310 110 PTI Pacifica PTI Pacifica Inc. Operational GSM 850
310 120 Sprint Operational CDMA
310 150 AT&T AT&T Mobility Operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900 Formerly Bell South Mobility DCS
310 160 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900
310 170 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Formerly Cingular CA/NV, also Pacific Bell Wireless
310 180 West Central West Central Wireless Operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900
310 190 Dutch Harbor Alaska Wireless Communications, LLC Operational GSM 850
310 200 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Formerly Smith Bagley
310 210 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Iowa
310 220 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Kansas / Oklahoma
310 230 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Utah
310 240 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 New Mexico / Texas / Arizona
310 250 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Hawaii
310 260 T-Mobile Operational GSM 1900 Universal USA code
310 270 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Formerly Powertel
310 280 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900
310 290 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900
310 300 Get Mobile Inc Get Mobile Inc Operational GSM 1900
310 310 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Formerly Aerial Communications
310 311 Farmers Wireless Operational GSM 1900
310 320 Cellular One Smith Bagley, Inc. Unknown GSM 1900
310 330 T-Mobile Unknown GSM 1900
310 340 Westlink Westlink Communications Operational GSM 1900 Kansas
310 350 Carolina Phone Not operational GSM 1900
310 380 AT&T Mobility Not operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900 Was Cingular Wireless
310 390 Cellular One of East Texas TX-11 Acquisition, LLC Operational gsm 850
310 400 i CAN_GSM Wave Runner LLC (Guam) Operational GSM 1900
310 410 AT&T AT&T Mobility Operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900 Was Cingular
310 420 Cincinnati Bell Cincinnati Bell Wireless Operational GSM 1900
310 430 Alaska Digitel Operational GSM 1900
310 440 Cellular One Unknown GSM 1900
310 450 Viaero Viaero Wireless Operational GSM 850
310 460 Simmetry TMP Corporation Operational GSM 1900
310 480 Choice Phone Operational Unknown
310 490 T-Mobile Operational Unknown Formerly SunCom
310 500 Alltel Operational CDMA / EV-DO
310 510 Airtel Airtel Wireless Operational Unknown Formerly PSC Wireless
310 520 VeriSign Unknown Unknown
310 530 West Virginia Wireless Operational Unknown
310 540 Oklahoma Western Oklahoma Western Telephone Company Operational GSM 1900
310 560 AT&T AT&T Mobility Operational GSM 850 Formerly Cellular One DCS, Dobson
310 570 Cellular One MTPCS, LLC Operational GSM 1900 Formerly Chinook Wireless
310 580 T-Mobile Not operational Unknown Formerly PCS One, discontinued
310 590 Alltel Alltel Communications Inc Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900 GSM roamer network only
310 610 Epic Touch Elkhart Telephone Co. Operational GSM 1900
310 620 Coleman County Telecom Coleman County Telecommunications Operational GSM 1900
310 630 AmeriLink PCS Choice Wireless Operational Unknown
310 640 Airadigm Airadigm Communications Operational GSM 1900
310 650 Jasper Jasper Wireless, inc Operational GSM 850
310 660 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Formerly DigiPhone PCS / DigiPH
310 670 Northstar Operational Unknown
310 680 AT&T AT&T Mobility Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900 formerly Cellular One DCS, NPI Wireless
310 690 Conestoga Conestoga Wireless Company Operational Unknown
310 730 SeaMobile Operational Unknown
310 740 Convey Convey Communications Inc. Operational Unknown
310 760 Panhandle Panhandle Telecommunications Systems Inc. Operational Unknown
310 770 i wireless Iowa Wireless Services Operational GSM 1900
310 780 Airlink PCS Not operational Unknown
310 790 PinPoint PinPoint Communications Operational GSM 1900
310 800 T-Mobile Not operational GSM 1900 Formerly SOL Communications
310 830 Caprock Caprock Cellular Operational GSM 850
310 850 Aeris Aeris Communications, Inc. Operational CDMA2000 850 / CDMA2000 1900 / GSM 850 / GSM 1900
310 870 PACE Kaplan Telephone Company Operational GSM 850
310 880 Advantage Advantage Cellular Systems Operational GSM 850
310 890 Unicel Rural Cellular Corporation Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900 Former Unicel markets split between AT&T Mobility and Verizon Wireless.
310 900 Taylor Taylor Telecommunications Operational GSM 850
310 910 First Cellular First Cellular of Southern Illinois Operational GSM 850
310 940 Iris Wireless LLC Operational Unknown
310 950 XIT Wireless Texas RSA 1 dba XIT Cellular Operational GSM 850
310 960 Plateau Wireless Operational Unknown
310 970 Globalstar Operational Satellite
310 980 AT&T Mobility Not operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900
310 990 AT&T Mobility Not operational Unknown
311 000 Mid-Tex Cellular Operational CDMA2000 850 / CDMA2000 1900
311 010 Chariton Valley Chariton Valley Communications Operational GSM 1900
311 020 Missouri RSA 5 Partnership Operational GSM 850
311 030 Indigo Wireless Operational GSM 1900
311 040 Commnet Wireless Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900
311 050 Wikes Cellular Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900
311 060 Farmers Cellular Farmers Cellular Telephone Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900
311 070 Easterbrooke Easterbrooke Cellular Corporation Operational GSM 850
311 080 Pine Cellular Pine Telephone Company Operational GSM 850
311 090 Long Lines Wireless Long Lines Wireless LLC Operational GSM 1900
311 100 High Plains Wireless Operational GSM 1900
311 110 High Plains Wireless Operational GSM 1900
311 120 Choice Phone Operational Unknown
311 130 Cell One Amarillo Operational GSM 850
311 140 Sprocket MBO Wireless Operational Unknown
311 150 Wilkes Cellular Operational GSM 850
311 160 Endless Mountains Wireless Operational Unknown
311 170 PetroCom Broadpoint Inc Operational GSM 850
311 180 Cingular Wireless Not operational GSM 850 / UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900
311 190 Cellular Properties Unknown Unknown
311 210 Farmers Cellular Farmers Cellular Telephone Operational GSM 850 / GSM 1900
316 010 Nextel Nextel Communications Operational iDEN 800 Merged with Sprint forming Sprint Nextel
316 011 Southern Communications Services Operational iDEN 800
890 126 T-Mobile Operational Unknown
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Originally posted by Brad Hubbard at techdirt.com
I work in the telecom industry. I should be more specific: I’m a Product Manager for an equipment provider. We sell (among other things) devices for mobile backhaul over fiber.
In the mobile backhaul space, our customers aren’t exactly knocking down our door to buy more equipment to feed the towers with TONS of extra wireless bandwidth. They buy new towers and plug them in to the existing fiber networks quite easily. Having a “proprietary fiber” network wouldn’t gain them anything, it’d just be a lot of extra trenching.
My expertise lies in the optics side of things. Assume for a moment that the carrier somehow solved an incredible problem and managed to get a WIRELESS SIGNAL (or combination of multiple signals) to push 20gbps, my immediate question is…where does it go? Unless you’re going device-to-device with that, I can’t imagine connecting that upstream. You’re talking literally THOUSANDS of bonded T1s, just for a single customer. The optics cost alone (for the 200 XFP/XFF modules) to feed that would be in the tens of thousands of dollars PER SUBSCRIBER. Routers are just starting to get 10G connections, and even at the industry standard 20:1 oversubscription rate (on ethernet networks), you’d be pushing hundreds of Gbps through each router to serve a moderate user set. That’s more than the national fiber backbone typically does. They’re certainly not using the multi-million-dollar Juniper/Redback routers to do this…so who?
Even if we assume they really meant 20Mbps, I still can’t see a startup having the financial capital to roll out more than a single tower. They don’t own the optical networking world end-to-end, so assuming for a moment that they COULD do it wirelessly, they’re still looking at hundreds of billions of dollars in optical transport equipment alone to roll out a nation-wide network. And once you’ve done that, you STILL have to pay for the actual bandwidth.
High-speed wireless data isn’t a problem only at the wireless interface. Backhaul, especially in densely populated areas, is still a huge hurdle to overcome. Running tens-of-gigs to a single tower is still not cost effective.
wheresmybuzzirk | August 2, 2009 at 11:38 pm
And of course Derek Kerton rips this whole idea apart in three posts
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